45 comments on “Nose Based Leadership Change in Nepal: Replace all Brahmin Leaders

  1. I would have to seriously disagree with you on this issue.

    You’re picking out bad people who happen to be Bahuns and then making an inference that does not hold enough ground. What about Ganesh Man Pun, or something who is the leader of YCL? He also makes statements that Lekhnath Poudel makes, but is it because he is a Bahun? No.

    Also, I think these rich, filthy Bahuns have made Bahuns from a weak economic background get disadvantaged in every sector in New Nepal.

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  3. The only hope to hold the nation together is to restore the Monarcy. It would have to be a different King of course and it would have to be politically powerless but used as a national symbol of the multi cultural environment. The past king should be exiled if he is still living in Nepa.

  4. @da vinci
    hey da vinci, i may have generalized a few ‘wrong’ people…but unless nakchuche(pointed nose Brahmins & Chetris) do not voluntarily handover leadership to janajatis & madiseys, we’ll be seeing more violence in the coming days….
    Moreover, the reason why I think Bahun leaders feel compelled to speak violently lies in their sattalipsa ( greed for power) to always remain in the limelight…so they need to seem revolutionary by inciting hatred…
    & mind u, satta does not refer to only govt ministerial post, but also party, and other institutional leadership.

    @Daniel
    hey Daniel, reinstating the King, or choosing another one is improbable at the moment…personally i believe the Nepali version of Oliver Cromwells should be given their share of ten years…my main argument is that non-bramhins should be given the key posts now…in all parties & organizations

  5. …totally misleading article….

    बाबु बराजेले खिर खाका थिए भनेर नातिलाई कोदो खुवाउन मिलेन नि

    We should take steps to equalize all ,not down one fully to the bottom….

    And i know u r a blogger..u can write what u feel but at least try to neutralize a little in ur article…Have u ever thought what could be the impact of it ???? These kind of article may cause some kind of conflict in Cast Unity…

    खै.. चित्त नै बुझेन abc जी यो article पढेर…यस्तो बिषम परिस्थितिमा हाम्रो article ले अनेकतामा एकतालाई अझ दर्‍हो बनाउनु पर्नेमा झन् खाडल पार्दै छ…

    Where are we going ???? article फुर्‍यो भन्दैमा बिखन्डन ल्याउने article लेख्न त भएन नि

    Yes, Other casts should give chances to lift up but it doesn’t mean that Brahmins should be vanished from all the sectors….

  6. 8 | abc
    February 11th, 2009 at 6:46 am | edit

    @da vinci
    hey da vinci, i may have generalized a few ‘wrong’ people…but unless nakchuche(pointed nose Brahmins & Chetris) do not voluntarily handover leadership to janajatis & madiseys, we’ll be seeing more violence in the coming days….
    Moreover, the reason why I think Bahun leaders feel compelled to speak violently lies in their sattalipsa ( greed for power) to always remain in the limelight…so they need to seem revolutionary by inciting hatred…
    & mind u, satta does not refer to only govt ministerial post, but also party, and other institutional leadership.

    @Daniel
    hey Daniel, reinstating the King, or choosing another one is improbable at the moment…personally i believe the Nepali version of Oliver Cromwells should be given their share of ten years…my main argument is that non-bramhins should be given the key posts now…in all parties & organizations

    @basanta, thanks man…it’s not only u & i, ’ve found that a many nakchuches agree with us…after all who was the celebrated Dor Baradur of Fatalism & Development fame?

    da vinci’s second point is also noteworthy that the corrupt nakchuches have overshadowed the miseries of genuine nakchuches….

    @ Amit: Thanx man…really enjoyed your comment…It’d been long that no one had scolded really , & i was feeling rather pampered by only getting tale but no galee…:D

    i understand that u r worried for what they say “reverse discrimination”, & your concern is not unjustifiable…the janajatis & madisey leaders as well as people at large should be careful on that…But don’t you think these a few privileged & corrupt Bramhins should give way to others for building a New Nepal?

  7. article त चित्त बुझेन बुझेन झन् मेरो unsatisfaction र disgreement लाई scold को रुपमा हेरिएकोमा …..खै के भन्ने ????

    Sorry Diva ji, I wasn’t scolding u …just saying i disagreed with this article ….

  8. please amit jee. i meant the same….i really enjoy when someone differs with my views…a conversation is possible only when someone differs. And the beauty of blogging is that you get to converse with people. Thanks really fr disagreeing. Believe me, I enjoyed it. 😉

  9. Divas,

    I have a couple of comments to make.
    Your article is racist but I cannot disagree with any of its statements or the theme that Bahuns are holding too much power and that it should be distributed to others as well. But, your comment, “unless nakchuche(pointed nose Brahmins & Chhetris) do not voluntarily handover leadership to janajatis & madiseys,” surprised me. It’s understandable that you have ‘bahun allergy’ but are you allergic to madhesis too? Notice the use of madhesis compared to your way of saying ‘madiseys’. Is there even a word such as what you said? I guess it’s a way of saying madhesis in a rather humiliating tone which is not good sign again since you seem to be sympathetic with madhesis and other marginalized groups.
    Is this another example of hypocrisy? Appearing to support madhesis and humiliating them at the same time?

  10. Dear Madhesi friend,

    i’m really grateful to you for making a relevant comment. i’m also sorry if I hurt your feelings in any way.

    Dear friend, I’m very much aware that the terai people feel offended when called a Madisey…& in fact, in all my writings, except the last three, I’ve used the word Madhesis. And I was expecting an objection like yours…thanks fr making it anyway.

    Regarding your query how I feel toward the Madhesis, plz read my post titled “Virus Killers in Madhesi Politics of Nepal” But, plz do not think that I’m “sympathizing” or “against” any group as a whole, please read my disgust for all chutiya politicians, from Pahadiya to Madiseys in “Prez Rambaran and Chutiya Politician of Nepal”.

    Personally, i don’t believe i’m a racist in any way. i believe that human sufferings and yearnings are the same everywhere. But I may be a racist unknowingly, for these days i increasingly find myself agreeing with Dr. Arun Gupto’s one statement that: “everyone speaks from his/her position”

    My aim is only to discover things. For example, you agree with my view against Bramhin hegemony in Nepal. But, if you call yourself a Madhesi, what’r your views on caste based Madhesi society? What’ s your opinion on inhuman dowry system among Madhesis? Remember, i won’t believe u if u claim your morality by only condemning wrong practises , i’ll believe you only if u’ll show an example thru your own life.

    Are u married? Did u take dowry or not? Are you going to marry? Will you dare to go against the dowry system? You call urself a Madhesi…but where do u put yourself among madhesis – Bramhin, Rajput, Sudi, Teli, Guhar, Dom, Dusad? Moreover, what’s ur religion, Hindu or Muslim? I guess, u r a Hindu, then hw much equality r you ready to give to the Muslims? And if u r a male, don’t u think that u too r responsible for Uma Sigh’s brutal murder by a mob of men?

    i’ve no objection to calling you a Madhesi in front of you…if that make u happy…and in fact, i do that exactly and i’m even willing to allow Madhesis a separate state if that contributes toward peace & prosperity among the people… i know such statements would gather criticism from other sides… from deshbhaktas…..

    But People call you Madisey when you’re not around, just like u call them Pahadiya or Katha, when they’re not around. Newars call others Khey…others call newars jyapu, Aryans call Mongols Bhote, Chimse, …and Mongols call Aryans Nakchuche…bahuns feel humiliated when everyone calls them baje, and tapare…every language has slang words for referring to “other’ people…and who r others? Our definition of the “Other” keeps changing, and depends our personal bias.

    i think, one part of accommodation among cultures in to respect others, and another part is to accept yourself as others see you…

    dear friend, its time fr load shedding again…kindly respond whenever you feel it. I think internet is the most suitable medium for talking on “taboo” subjects…coz our communication remains limited to verbal interpretations…
    Regards,

  11. Divas,
    I appreciate your genuine acknowledgement that you knew what you were writing.

    I did read your article about Virus Killers and realized how brave and rational a decision they had made. It might make more sense to talk through some private channels instead of this public one to answer your lots f queries. But I can see what the gist of your queries is. I can see what you are hammering at. Divas, I am unmarried young guy and yeah I am a Hindu, you were right. As for my caste, I can’t care less. Identity is something that I have been thinking lately.

    If you ask me what the root of all problems in the world or in Nepal is, then my answer would be one and straightforward-identity. This is the single reason why the world is facing all kinds of inequalities, violence and suffering.

    You asked me for my views on caste based Madhesi society. I think it will bring further instability and sow the seed for perpetual violence. Nepal will become the ground for ethnic rivalries and conflicts, and seasonal violence and confrontation among Madhesis, Pahadis, Tharus, Kiratis and others will be viewed similar to ethnic conflicts between Hindu and Muslim extremists in India. I might be exaggerating a little at this time but ethnicity can cause unprecedented damage and pretty quickly.

    Dowry practice is another practice that I absolutely disapprove of. We are still living in those old times. As long as dowry practice will continue to foster and occupy Madhesi hearts, the discrimination against women will continue. I only wish it were in my capacity to do something. Making something illegal does not simply prevent it. I just don’t know where it will lead us. One thing is certain, it will prevent Madhesis from marrying the woman of his dreams or the man of her dreams. Isn’t this the single reason why there are very very very few love marriages among Madhesis, if any as compared among people of hill origin (Pahadis)?

    Divas, I am as concerned as you about the sociopolitical and socioeconomic situation of Nepal. But I still have lots of years to study this situation before I might be able to assess and do something on a meaningful scale. Till then, all we can do is-blog and blog and blog.

  12. Dear abc,
    I read ur post and all the comments. In fact I’m also a nakchuchhe, born in Tarai part of Nepal.
    I’m convinced with you that we sould fight against “brahminbaad” in all it’s form. I know there are “brahmins” among madhesis, there are “brahmins” among “jana jatis” and also there are “Brahmins” among “Dalits.” We should not forget this fact.
    This “anti-bahunbaad” should not be only against naakchuchhes. I’m afraid that this anti-bahunbaad may lead us to anti-Jews formula of Hitler. problem is not naakchuchhes but the “Brahminbaad”, which exist in many forms in Nepal.

  13. hey divas,
    generalised though your comments and the perspective you show in this article may be (but i have to agree mostly true), i for myself have to say that i vastly enjoyed it…..and…. i’m pretty sure my being a ‘non-nakchuche’ has nothing to do with it!!!

  14. Dear Nakchuchche Kishor and Non-nakchuche friends, Thanks for ur interesting remarks… plz note that I’m not encouraging anyone to fight against a certain group or ethnicity…yea i agree with kishor that Bramhin attitude is in all groups… Still I’d persuade Bramhins to adopt other professions than politics, like Kishor says he’s a man of “few words” and like to show “What he sees” through the camera lense…

    I’m not even saying that it’s wrong for Bramhins to be in the politics…i wish Nakchuches allowed leadership to the people of other ethnicity…voluntarily…

    @ dear nakchuche_not,
    sure….ur being a non nakchuche has nothing to do with enjoying this post…even in the comments here there are many Nakchuches themselves who wish Bahun leaders to give way to others…perhaps, bahuns make good doctors, teachers, and professions related to using language skills…

    but perhaps Bahun leaders feel 2 old 2 change their profession…or habit….i’ve researched many road side eateries n found that bahuns really don’t know hw to make a food meetho(tasty). That’s why these days i eat from a jyapu’s place…sandheko aalu, chana, chiura….and aloo, mula, sano kerauko achar…yum yum 😉

  15. This guy who wrote the article is brainwashed, thug I have ever seen. The question is not that BAHUN rule every where. It is rather what gives them the power to rule. Or what qualifies them to lead. Of course, study.

    At a time a son of BAHUN joins college and enjoys his daily meal with GUNDRUK AND DHINDO the kids of other groups go for RASRANG. While some focus on their body–its shape, size, color, contours (gurung kids for eg.).

    SO the point is all must have the desire to knowledge that comes from study. Hence, all must be as serious as BRAHMIN ARE IN STUDY. WHICH CONSEQUENTLY WILL GIVE THME POWER TO LEAD.

    • I absolutely agree with Hari Ji .I am also Brahmad from U.S. I was born in Bhutan,fled Bhutan at age 13 ,spent my entire youth in Pitribhumi Nepal.I think problem in Nepal is basically habit,manner,attitude ,sanskars and societal in nature.Forget about bahun even Dalit become wealthy and powerful he starts suppressing poor and underprivileged even in his own community.There is no compassion ,altruism in Nepali.There is ego and jeolosy .There absolutely no respect and dignity in Nepal.Rich insults yell poor, poor disrespects wealthy , students don’t respect teachers, leaders don’t respect janata ,Everydody acts like stupid narrow minded selfish child!!!!

    • Dear Nepali Daju Bhai tatha Didi Bahiniharu

      I think the caste Bahun itself is not the problem for Nepal.The problem is the attitude .
      Yes Brahmins are in power because of their intelligence .Any jati of average intelligence can become rich and powerful in Nepal.Lets try to compare Bahun hakim and Janajati Hakim.Have you guys ever noticed clean noncorrupt good mannared janajati Hakim,politicians,doctors,engeeners etc.Do janajati behave,act ,react,interact very differently ,very politely,are they dedicated servent of nepal,are they very patriotic to nation?The answer is 100% not.When I was Refugee in Nepal, there was one Jana Jati Griha Mantralaya ko Karmachari named Harka Rai at Beldangi I refugee camp representing Gov of Nepal.He was very very curropt.He was more corrupt and arogant than his Bahun co-worker.The SOLUTIONS of Nepal is good governance,rule of law,very strict implimentation of law and order,very strict anti corruption law,strict implimentation of regulations .In absence of all these even if yOU make Sarki President,Limbu Primeminister,Madeshi head of Army,nothing new happens.After all they are all human being .They all have weaknesses like greed,nepotism,favouritism,arrogace,ego etc.
      When you board public transport with your Ama,at the very entrance you are yelled MA CHIKNAY RANDI KO CHORO BY THE OPPRESSED ,UNDERPRIVILEDGED KAMI KO CHORO.Instead of providing good customer service you are yelled,totured and looted.BUS DOESNOT COME TO COMPLETE STOP WHEN PREGNANTWOMEN,ELDERLY,CHILDREN,SICK AND FEEBLE ARE BOARDING THE BUS,THERE IS NO ALLOCATION OF SEATS FOR DISABLED ,ELDERLY PASSENGERS. SAME WHEN THEY GET OFF, BUS DOESNOT STOP COMPLETLY.NEPALI NETA TALK ABOUT BRING ING RADICAL CHANGES IN NEPAL WHEN THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO REGULATE SIMPLE TRANSPORTATION SECTOR OF COUNTRY.SMALL SMALL REFORMS IN EVERY SECTORS LIKE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATIONS,CIVIL SERVICE,EDUCATION,CUSTOMER SERVICE LEAD TO AAMUL PARIVARTAN TO NATION.Here do Dalits,Jana jati ko choro behave differently?Is there any Jati Jana Jati who treats all with respects,speak decent language,honest,sincere,not corrupt?Yes Bahun do not treat people no matter he is khalasi,rickshaw wala with respect,but Dalit,Jana jatis are also not different.So I would like to suggest following to all Dalit,Jana Jati,Madhisis,backword communities if they wish to be ruler of Nepal forever:

      1.STUDY HARD,GIVE UP ALCOHOL,BAD HABIT,LUST.EDUCATION,KNOWLEDGE IS POWER .BAHUNS KNOW THIS THATS WHY LUTAY ,DUBLO ,KHIYAUTAY BAHUN IS MORE POWERFUL THAN BALAWAN RISTAPUSTA JANAJATI!!!
      2.TREAT EVERY NEPALI WITH RESPECT,SPEAK SAVVYA NEPALI,HELP ,SERVE .BE GOOD EXAMPLE IN A SOCIETY,WORKPLACE,SCHOOL,COLLEGE,PASAL IN A SUCH WAY THAT EVERY NEPALI STARTS TO TRUST YOU AND START TO RESPECT YOU SO THAT YOU AUTOMATICALLY BECOME POPULAR AND POWERFUL.
      3.HELP POOR,WEAK,UNDERPRIVILEDGED,FIGHT FOR JUSTICE,BECOME VOICE OF THE VOICELESS.AAFNU SWARTHA LAI CHADI DIYOU.
      4.YOU DONT HAVE TO BECOME MINISTER TO SERVE THE NATION.IF EVERY JANAJATI KHALASI,DRIVER,VARIYA,LABORER,KARMACHARI,DOCTOR,ENGENEER,POLICE,ARMY STARTS TO BEHAVE IN A VERY VERY CIVILISED WAY TO ALL NEPALI,SERVE WITHOUT ANY SELFISH MOTIVE,BECOME NON CORRUPT ,THEN PEOPLE CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BEETWIN ARROGANT,SELFISH,SWARTHI,SAMANTI CHOTIYA BAHUNS AND IMANDAR JANAJATI.SO GUESS WHAT WHO PEOPLE VOTE FOR,WHO WINS CUSTOMERS AND BECOME POWERFUL.

      AHILAY LAI YETI NAI
      KRISHNA REGMI
      USA

      s

  16. No doubt, Girija,Khanal,Prachnda,Baburam,Gajurel,Nilambar Acharya,Narahari Acharya,Ishwar Pokhrel,Madhav Nepal,Krishna Pahari,and many others are the shame and the downfall of the nation and her tradition.But democracy is run on the basis of majority and unfortunaatelym, the chettris and the bahuns are in comparative majority.
    Knowing the corruption of these people, King Gyanendra had tried to commence a new equilibrium aiming the national development, but thse people pushed him away cryiing democraacy. Now they are keeping under the Prachanda idi amin of Nepal.

  17. No doubt, Girija,Khanal,Prachnda,Baburam,Gajurel,Nilambar Acharya,Narahari Acharya,Ishwar Pokhrel,Madhav Nepal,Krishna Pahari,and many others are the shame and the downfall of the nation and her tradition.But democracy is run on the basis of majority and unfortunaatelym, the chettris and the bahuns are in comparative majority.
    Knowing the corruption of these people, King Gyanendra had tried to commence a new equilibrium aiming the national development, but thse people pushed him away cryiing democraacy. Now they are keeping mum under the Prachanda idi amin of Nepal.

  18. I just forgot mentioning one thing. All these national disgraces are supported by the people of Nepal, who cry harshly that the country and they are cheated.

  19. We chhetris want to be included in janajati, and we support all those janajati demand. We will be happy if our share will be secured. But brahmins are taking our pie in the name of brahmin and chhetri quota (32%). The whole bunch of game of UML, NC and Maoist are to suppress the chhetri.

  20. ashu Posted on 11-Dec-01 11:58 PM

    Hi all,

    Despite Arnico’s labeling it as “pompous”, I would like to stand by my
    “product differentiation” argument and my airline analogy.

    In a spirit of well, spirited kura-kani, please allow me to develop my thoughts
    here.

    First off, Arnico would be surprised to discover that my reasoning actually flows from his own publicly declared premise: the premise that this gbnc.org “now attracts the best and the brightest [young] Nepalis”.

    For the sake of analyzing consistency of beliefs, let me devise this short
    thought experiment.

    Now, assuming Arnico’s premise to be true, would it not then make sense to
    argue further that “the best and the brightest” (whoever they are — and let’s not get distacted with this point!) folks who are here want the kurakani here to be
    of higher, deeper and more rigorous quality (however defined)?

    If no, then Arnico should be honest enough to admit that his own premise was
    a pompous one, to begin with.

    If yes, then, he should have NO problem when someone else takes his
    premise further to point out that in order to maintain its relatively high quality
    this site needs to exercize product differentiation, and when that someone
    gives the airline thing as an example.

    I hope my point is clear.

    That said, I would further argue that the to exercise “product differentiation”
    has become urgent here because, let’s face it, posters like Ranjit Rana or Anand Agarwal (based on the kind of stuff they have posted here!) can NEVER compare
    to posters like Biswo Poudel or Arnico or NK or Silwalik and others.
    This is the truth I have no trouble accepting.

    That said, should posters like Anand Agarwal and Ranjit Rana or the usual anonymous attackers of Ashutosh Tiwari should be allowed
    to post here?

    My answer: Yes, yes and yes.

    If they want to take full responsibilities for the contents of their postings, I, as a visitor, have NO TROUBLE accepting them as registered users, though I reserve my right to disagree with them.

    But if they do NOT want to take full responsibilities for the content of their postings, then, well, I have no trouble wishing them well in that “Open Kurakani” section.

    The Open Kurakani section, let us be clear, by its own nature, tends to attract
    liars and smear-campaigners, and, hey, that’s life.

    So, I liked Arnico’s idea because it satisfies what I call “product differentiation” criteria, and I have no trouble admitting that learning from peers who take responsibilities for their stupid or brilliant postings is much better than reading spineless anonymous postings of certain individuals whose sole obsession is how to defame others.

    oohi
    “proud to be a registered user, and proud to hang out ONLY with other resgistered users who take responsibilities for their postings”.
    ashu
    ktm,nepal
    anepalikt Posted on 12-Dec-01 12:04 AM

    Ashutosh: enlighten me here, what DOES “take full responsibility for” mean? Registered or unregistered, this is still an annonymous forum and a virtual and online one, no real names, no real accountability if people don’t want. Those things cannot be mandated.
    So again, please tell me how being registered means you take responsibility for what you share here?
    ashu Posted on 12-Dec-01 12:28 AM

    Hi anepalikt

    I am glad that you too are a registerd user.
    Welcome to the registered world!

    To answer your question: There is NO hard and fast rule about this “taking full responsibility” thing. As such, there is NO precise criteria or precise guideline or one-size-fits-all stuff. It’s really a matter of using your judgment as wisely as
    you can. Sharpening judgment is all we can do to the best of our ability. And
    that’s really that.

    Let me give you an example.

    FIRST: Biswo, for example, is one poster I have never met. I don’t even know what he looks like. But from reading his postings here, it’s clear — to me anyway — that there is much I, as a visitor, can learn from even when I disagree with some
    of his views.

    Now that’s a JUDGEMENT I have developed re: Biswo.

    SECOND: It also makes me feel good that I can email Biswo (from the email address he has given to San) and share concerns of mutual interest. Indeed, I have emailed Biswo a few times, and he has emailed me back. This is NOT to
    say that we agree with one another on all things, and that’s a good thing.

    Now, take FIRST and SECOND above, and what we have here is a network that would NOT have been possible had Biswo not visited this site as a registered user.
    See what I mean? This is one example and others can come up with others.

    And so, when Arnico talks about building up a network of young Nepalis doing different things (something I agree with), then it seems to me that one PRE-REQUISITE to start such a network among people who did not know one another before is to encourage people to stand behind what they write in public and let interested peers approach them for ideas, suggestions and so on.

    After all, for those of us who want to get to know and work with more and more Nepalis who are more competent than ourselves, taking steps to get into such a network via this gbnc.org is something to be welcomed and cherished.

    And so, it all comes down to making some judgment without getting tied to rigid rules and semantics.

    Just my thoughts;

    oohi
    ashu
    ktm,nepal
    anepalikt Posted on 12-Dec-01 01:02 AM

    Ashutosh:
    Tha’s right, “It’s really a matter of using your judgment as wisely as
    you can.” One cannot mandate it! Being registered does not necessarily make you agreeable (I guess we both agree that is not a criteria for being interesting or responsible though, thank god), trust worthy, responsible or accountable.
    I guess people visit the site for different reasons. And as much as I personally like to idea of engaging with others who don’t resort to juvenile and irresponsible behaviour at the drop of a hat, I also think being registered does not mean they will not do that. I have witnessed many a thread be totally perversed by “registerd” users. Also, so what if someone stands behind their word in public if what they stand behind is messed up? They might still be sick and stupid? no?
    About being registered… now I am getting worried, lest you think this is a new thing for me, something to get into the ordained circle. I registered when someone posted some crap using “my” psuedonym… so I do see merit in registration. But for me registration was simply a step to stop idiots of letting me be my own idiot under my own chosen name, vs. have them make a fool of me.
    Anyhow, it is late! have a nice day!
    ashu Posted on 12-Dec-01 01:31 AM

    >Ashutosh:
    >Tha’s right, “It’s really a matter of using
    >your judgment as wisely as
    >you can.” One cannot mandate it!

    Yes.

    I think, to Arnico’s credit, he has been extra-careful about
    “not manadting” bit, but most of you seem to have sadly missed it.

    No one here is talking about mandating anything,
    least of all Arnico. For God’s sake, this is a voluntary
    board!!

    >Being
    >registered does not necessarily make you
    >agreeable (I guess we both agree that is not
    >a criteria for being interesting or
    >responsible though, thank god), trust worthy,
    > responsible or accountable.

    Agreed.
    But this point is moot.

    >I guess people visit the site for different
    >reasons. And as much as I personally like
    >to idea of engaging with others who don’t
    >resort to juvenile and irresponsible
    >behaviour at the drop of a hat, I also think
    >being registered does not mean they will not
    >do that.

    Agreed.

    But once you trade in a bit of anonymity (i.e. giving
    San your valid email address and all that) to be a registered
    user, the likelihood of your posting sickening postings goes
    down while increasing your success at networking with
    others “who don’t resort to juvenile and irresponsible
    behaviour” on or off the gbnc.org

    If this sounds like a good idea to some people, then they will
    register themselves. If not, well, that’s that. NO ONE is forcing
    anything down on anybody’s throat here.

    > I have witnessed many a thread be
    >totally perversed by “registerd” users.

    Sure, you cannot solve EVERY problem with this registered
    thing.

    This register-yourself is a relative measure and NOT absolute cure
    for every problem existing on this site.

    I would rather have this site develop itself through repeated
    incremental changes than by ONE BIG STROKE.

    >Also, so what if someone stands behind their
    >word in public if what they stand behind is
    >messed up? They might still be sick and
    >stupid? no?

    See my reply above.

    >About being registered… now I am getting
    >worried, lest you think this is a new thing
    >for me, something to get into the ordained
    >circle.

    No. I do not think it that way at all.

    >I registered when someone posted
    >some crap using “my” psuedonym… so I do
    >see merit in registration. But for me
    >registration was simply a step to stop
    >idiots of letting me be my own idiot under
    >my own chosen name, vs. have them make a
    >fool of me.

    Exactly!
    And that was your individual step.

    Now imagine, if a group of people here REQUEST other people to please
    register themselves here . . . are they not taking a step forward “to stop
    idiots” from posting garbage here?

    I’ll tell you one BIG reason why I support registration.

    My dream is this: When we discuss, for example, economic issues here, I wish we could attract Dr. Ram Sharan himself here for an hour or two to answer some of our questions. I mean, why not?

    When we discuss, say, human rights issues in Nepal, I wish we could invite the folks at the Human Rights Commission right here.

    We can attract real-life journalists, activists, scientists and writers and artists based in Nepal to come here and share their perspectives.

    And so on and on.

    This is my — as a mere visitor — DREAM for this site: Connecting concerned Nepalis everywhere DIRECTLY with those who make and shape policies in Nepal.

    Sure, I realize that such a dream is an ambitious one, and maybe even ludicrous on some level. But that’s OK. I, for one, am quite used to turning ludicrously ambitious dreams into viable realities after some years.

    And so, the least we could here do is START creating favorable conditions and building up credibility so that eventually — in some years — we can take this site ko influence even higher.

    I really mean it. I wouldn’t be here — in this GENERAL forum where general issues are discussed and NOT specialized ones– if I didn’t believe in its potential myself.

    oohi
    ashu
    ktm,nepal
    ashu Posted on 12-Dec-01 02:34 AM

    Oh, lest anyone thought I am being oh-so-goddamn-serious with all this dream stuff, let me hasten to add that I too am all for CONTINUING fun and bantering and all that here.

    If anything, having two boards here is likely to INCREASE the amount of fun people can have on gbnc.org

    oohi
    “I am a registered user of gbnc.org; what about you?”
    ashu
    ktm,nepal
    sunakhari Posted on 12-Dec-01 10:07 AM

    Ashu, you have forgotten to add – registering also allows a person to harrass another by emailing the person. Now, don’t get paranoid and all defensive here – I am just creating another scenario!
    _BP Posted on 12-Dec-01 11:44 AM

    I guess Ashu is a little more optimistic. I just like the site because it allows me to communicate with other Nepali peers. I don’t know about shaping policies and so forth. Maybe that can happen, conceivably.
    SIWALIK Posted on 12-Dec-01 02:06 PM

    So this forum “now attracts the best and the brightest [young] Nepalis.”

    This is what I would like to know. How many Nepalese discussion forums are there? What were the critiria used to determine this was the one attracting the so called “the best and the brightest” Nepalese? What constititutes the above said adjective? Does going to US universities meet the criteria? What else? Who is keeping track of the visitors to this website? And how is the individual merit being awarded for posting whatever that generates discussion?

    I find it objectionable to label people like this. I also want to point out, as respectfully as I can, that intelligence and wisdom are not correlated. One might top in academic field or attend prestigious academic institutions, but when it comes to applying to real life problems, the so called the “best and the brightest” can be as much at a loss as those who are considered the “the worst and the dumbest.” In words, if one were to use that knowledge to practical problems of Nepal, I do not think they would be any better off, by default, to fare better. What constitutes academic excellence is not necessarily transferrable to every day wisdom.

    From what I have seen, there is a tendency to immediately judge new posters as someone inferior or unworthy of respect. Responses like, “Go do your own homework,” or “this seems like taken from Econ 101 book,” are not a measure of the “best and the brightest” people. I have no objection to people who think that they are the only ones who know what is best for the rest of us, but one day, the day shall come when the lofty ideals come crashing down and those placed in high heavens also meet mortal end.

    To me it does not matter whether someone is regisered or not. If someone posts a bunch of ill-intentioned remarks, I just ignore them. Those who think that freedom is merely for the ones who are idealistic have gotten it all wrong. Freedom also means protection for Larry Flint. If someone posts malicious stuff about Ashu or others, in my opinion, it discredits the poster than Ashu, or other targeted by such postings. To me that is more an appropriate measure of being bright than suggesting that there should be classification of discussants. That is not democratic and definitely not an appropriate use of the concept of “freedom”.

    PEACE.
    tirtha Posted on 12-Dec-01 02:34 PM

    Siwalik wrote:
    >So this forum “now attracts the best and the brightest [young] Nepalis.”

    Oh of course! Don’t you know Siwalik that with having Ashutosh Tiwari here, we have THE best and THE brightest (and of course YOUNG too) Nepali around? 😉
    dariwal Posted on 12-Dec-01 05:17 PM

    ashu(dai),
    <<“proud to be a registered user, and proud to hang out ONLY with other resgistered users who take responsibilities for their postings”.

    It’s not that being an unregistered one,i’m sad that you said that but just wanted to make sure that you don’t believe that being an unregistered (by choice, of course) dosen’t mean that they do not take “full responsibility”(whatever it means).Hey, i will take a full responsibility for whatever i write (which i don’t that often).
    ashu Posted on 13-Dec-01 04:05 AM

    Sunakhari,

    It’s great to see that you are all registered and all that.
    Congratulations!!

    Don’t worry: As most of you know, I am quite used to my email system being hacked from time to time by the usual suspects. What else can these losers really do? We all know that only quietly paranoids abuse their computer-security knowledge to harrass other people. I wish these quietly desperate folks my
    very best.

    Siwalik,

    Congratulations on being a registered user.

    But I must tell you that you take things here too seriously for your own good.
    Hey, live a little.
    Have fun too. 🙂

    Arnico made that “best and brightest” remark in passing here once, and almost
    too casually — which is fine.

    In a spirit of spirited kura-kani, I merely used that remark to make a counter-argument (see above). Truth be told, I get a kick out of seeing Arnico’s
    bahaving at times like a good host who’s nervous that the revelry/partying
    has gone out of hand 🙂

    So, Siwalik, relax.

    No one here has gone around doing the IQ Check of everyone here.
    No one is even INTERESTED in finding out who’s smart and who’s not here.

    Still, it was great to read your posting.

    Finally, Dariwal-bhai,

    I read your comment.

    My suggestion is: I respect your choice to do whatever you want to do. But
    please get yourself registered fast. This is a request.

    oohi
    “Being a registered user is sexy and cool”
    ashu
    ktm,nepal
    sunakhari Posted on 13-Dec-01 01:22 PM

    Ashu,
    I just registered there was nothing at all to rave about.
    I wasn’t talking about you and your experiences – I was thinking of everybody who will register.
    But on the same note – personally, I don’t think I would take it as you have. My reactions, oh well, we shall see when the time arrives :).
    Biswo Posted on 13-Dec-01 03:04 PM

    Relax, my friends.

    Registration is worth practicing! Hey, is it true that amazon.com has free coupons
    for us ?

    Registered, not-registered, we will basically be same. But, yea, I am just
    wondering how my mailing box is swelling these days? Any prankster out there?

  21. Regarding comment by DEEPAK P—– BISTA above, which is actually dated December 2001 and probably imported by serial pest, stalker, and cyberstalker RANJIT SHAMSHSER JUNG BAHADUR RANA, of Adelaide South Australia. I am totally uninterested in the comment as I do not have sufficient knowledge of all the different ethnic groups in Nepal. However, It appears to me that Ranjit Rana is SPAMMING YOUR SITE. HE HAS A BAD HABIT of doing that to a great many different sites. He constantly USES DIFFERENT NAMES

  22. 1901 Commanding-General H.E. Svasti Sri Madati Prachandra Bhujadandyetyadi Sri Sri Sri Maharaja Deva Shumshere Jang Bahadur Rana, T’ung-ling-ping-ma-Kuo-Kang-wang, Maharaja of Lambjang and Kaski. b. at Katmandu, 17th July 1862, fifth son of Commanding-General H.E. Dhir Shumshere Jang Bahadur Rana, educ. Narayanhiti Durbar Sch., Katmandu. Adopted by the widow of Cdng-Gen. H.E. Krishna Bahadur Kunwar Rana. Apptd Col. 1862, Cdng-Gen. Eastern Cmnd. 1885-1887, Senior Cdng-Gen. Western Cmnd. 1887, Mukhtiyar and C-in-C 1887-1901. Invested at the Narayanhiti Royal Palace as Prime Minister, C-in-C and Maharaja of Lambjang and Kaski, 5th March 1901. Inaugurated a Grand Council to discuss national issues and redress the grievances of the people, at Thapathali Durbar, 17th May 1901. Attempted to reform the political and administrative system, extend education, established the first newspaper and exhibited silent movies for the public. Emancipated all female slaves in Katmandu, Lambjang and Kaski, 4th May 1901. His reforms proving unpopular with his relatives, he was deposed on 27th June 1901 and sent into internal exile at Dhankuta. Later permitted to escape to Darjeeling, in British India, and eventually settled at Mussoorie. m. (first) Sri Sri Sri Maharani Karma Kumari Devi (d. 1895). m. (second) at Katmandu, 1896, Sri Sri Sri Bada Maharani Krishna Kumari Devi, his chief wife, daughter of H.H. Svasti Sri Giriraj Chakrachudamani Narnarayanetyadi Vividha Virudavali Virajamana Manonnata Shriman Maharajadhiraja Sri Sri Sri Sri Sri Maharaj Surendra Bir Bikram Jang Bahadur Shah Bahadur Shamsher Jang Devanam Sada Samaja Vijayinam, Maharajadhiraja of Nepal, by a junior wife. m. (third) at Fairlawn, Mussoorie, 2nd October 1911, Sri Sri Sri Maharani Sharada Kumari Devi (b. 1892), daughter of Rana Jai Chand, Rana of Kuthar, Punjab, India. He d. at Benares, 20th February 1914, having had issue, eleven sons and six daughters, including:
    1) General Sri Sri Sri Maharajkumar Jung Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana [Janga] (s/o Karma Kumari), educ. Mayo Coll., Ajmer. He d. before 1923, having had issue, seven sons:
    a) General Kalyan Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana. He had issue, three sons and one daughter:
    i) Colonel Trilochan Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana. He had issue:
    (1) Udaya Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana. A noted singer and songwriter. He has issue, two sons and one daughter:
    ii) General Pashupati Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana. m. the eldest daughter of Shri Babu Sahib Khadga Bahadur Malla, of Maglagadi, the biggest zamindar in Bardia. He had issue, two sons and one daughter:
    (1) Dr. Ranjit Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana, educ. St Xavier’s High Sch., Jawalalkhel. Expert in International Business and Marketing. He has issue, two daughters:
    (a) Maya Luxmi Paulette Rana.
    (b) Nelli Luxmi Anderson Rana.
    (2) Sunil Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana. Mbr. All-Nepal Football Assoc.
    (1) Sabina Rajya Lakshmi. m. … Thapa. Copyright© Christopher Buyers
    iii) Shree Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana. He has issue, one son and one daughter.
    b) Major-General Suprasidha-Prabala-Gorkha-Dakshina-Bahu Lakshman Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana. He had issue, five sons and two daughters:
    i) Colonel Suprasidha-Prabala-Gorkha-Dakshina-Bahu Himalaya Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana. b. at Thapathali, Katmandu, 10th January 1925, educ. Durbar High Sch. and Tri-Chandra Coll., Katmandu, St Xavier’s Coll., and Sch. of Econ. And Sociology, Bombay (MA). Sec. Finance Ministry 1950-1951, Dir-Gen. Nepal Bank Ltd. 1951-1956, Gov. Nepal Rastra Bank 1956-1962, Programme Offr. UNO New York 1962-1964, Dep. Resident Repr. UNDP Sri Lanka and Afghanistan 1964-1972, Burma 1972-1977, Indonesia 1977-1981, and Pakistan 1981-1986, Mbr. Natnl. Develop. Cncl. 1986 and 1992, Chair. Himalaya Dvpt. Bank Ltd. 1992. Rcvd: the Order of the Gurkha Right Hand 1st class. m. April 1956, Sri Rani Bijaya Lakshmi, second daughter of Shri Babu Sahib Khadga Bahadur Malla, of Maglagadi, the biggest zamindar in Bardia. He had issue, two sons and two daughters:
    (1) Ashoke Shamsher Jung Bahdur Rana. Senior General Manager, Himalayan Bank Ltd., Dir. International Leasing & Finance Co. Ltd., Chair. Rural Microfinance Dvpt. Centre (RMDC). m. Sri Rani Chanda Rajya Lakshmi. He has issue, one son:
    (a) Abhishek Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana, educ. Imperial Coll., London.
    (2) Amar Shamsher Jung Bahadur Rana.
    (1) Pratima Rajya Lakshmi. m. Prithivi Bahadur Pandey, sometime CEO of Indo-Suez Bank in Nepal, CE Dir. Nepal Investment Bank. Ltd.
    (2) Sangeeta Rajya Lakshmi. b. 5th May 1961, educ. United World Coll. for SE Asia, Singapore; Rosemead Sch., Sussex; West Sussex Coll. of Art & Design, and George Mason Univ, Virginia, USA. Artist. Founder Siddhartha Art Gallery in 1986. Presdt. Nepal-Netherlands Foundation, Mbr. United World Coll. Scholarship Panel (Nepal Chapter), Nepal-Sri Lanka Chamber of Commerce, and LALS (Life Savings and Life Giving) AIDS Awareness Charity since 1993, Nepal Heritage Soc., Nepal Britain Friendship Soc., Exec. Mbr. International Women’s Assoc. of India 1995-1997, UN Woman’s Assoc. of Pakistan 1997-1998, Dir. Infinity International PR Co. Rcvd: Birendra Aishswarya Padak (2001), and Rajat Mahotsab Padak (1998). m. ca. 1983, Sunil Thapa, employed with UNHCR, only son of Maha-Ujjwal-Kirtimaya-Nepal-Shripada Om-Ram-Patta Jyotirmaya-Subikhyat-Tri-Shakti-Patta Suprasidha-Prabala-Gorkha-Dakshina-Bahu The Rt. Hon. Surya Bahadur Thapa, five times Prime Minister of Nepal, by his wife, Sushma.
    ii) Major Prabakhar Shamsher Jung Bahadur Rana.
    iii) Subikhyat-Tri-Shakti-Patta Prasidha-Prabala-Gorkha-Dakshina-Bahu Ratna Shamsher Jung Bahadur Rana. Insp-Gen. of Police in 1993.
    iv) Jaya Shamsher Jung Bahadur Rana.
    v) Prabhat Shamsher Jung Bahadur Rana.
    i) Bina Rajya Lakshmi.
    ii) Mina Rajya Lakshmi. m. Jyotirmaya-Subikhyat-Trishakti-Patta Chiran Shamsher Jung Thapa, Dep. Master of Ceremonies and Principle Adviser to King Gynendra.
    c) Bhisma Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana. (c).
    d) Karna Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana. (c).
    e) Drona Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana. (c).
    f) Narendra Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana. (c).
    g) Dip Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana. (c).
    2) Sri Sri Sri Maharajkumar Bhuban Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana (s/o Karma Kumari). He d. before 1923, having had issue:
    a) Baladeva Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana. b. before 1923. Copyright© Christopher Buyers
    3) Sri Sri Sri Maharajkumar Narendra Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana (s/o Krishna Kumari).
    4) Sri Sri Sri Maharajkumar Bahadur Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana (s/o Krishna Kumari). Presdt. All-India Gurkha League (Assam Branch) 1927. He had issue, two sons:
    a) Prithi Shumsher Jung Bahadur Rana. He had issue, a son:
    i) Asit Shumsher Jung Bahadur Rana. He had issue, two sons:
    (1) Bedant Shumsher Jung Bahadur Rana.
    (2) Devash Shumsher Jung Bahadur Rana.
    b) Benu Shumsher Jung Bahadur Rana. He had issue, a son:
    i) Amrish Shumsher Jung Bahadur Rana. He had issue, a son:
    (1) Avalokan Shumsher Jung Bahadur Rana.
    5) Sri Sri Sri Maharajkumar Najaya Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana (s/o Krishna Kumari).
    6) Lieutenant-General Sri Sri Sri Maharajkumar Mussoorie Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana (s/o Sharada). He had issue, a son and a daughter:
    a) Kailash Shumsher Jung Bahadur Rana. He had issue, a son:
    i) Dhawal Shumsher Jung Bahadur Rana. b. 29th April 1962. Sometime Mayor of Nepalganj. m. at Mussoorie, 26th June 1980, Maharajkumari Srila Pratima Devi (b. at Calcutta, 12th June 1962), second daughter of Colonel H.H. Bisam-Samar-Bijojee Mahamopadhyaya Pancha-Srijukta Maharaja Sri Sri Sri Kirit Bikram Kishore Deb Barman Manikya Bahadur, Maharaja of Tripura, by his second wife, H.H. Maharani Bibhu Kumari Devi, sometime Tripura State Minister for Revenue & Local Govt., daughter of Raja Shri Lav Shah. He has issue, one daughter:
    (1) Shivangini Rajya Lakshmi.
    a) A daughter. m. at Lucknow, 1938, as his first wife, Rajkumar Sri Hardyal Singh (b. December 1921; d.s.p.m. 1958), eldest son of Sri Rao Raja Kalyan Singh Bahadur, Rao Raja of Sikar, in Jaipur state, India. Copyright© Christopher Buyers
    7) Kanwar Jagat Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana (b).
    8) Kanwar Lokendra Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana (c).
    9) Lieutenant-General Kanwar Laba Shumshere Jung Bahadur Rana (c). He had issue, three sons and two daughters:
    a) Dhundiraj Shumshere Jung Bahadur Rana. b. before 1923. He had issue, a son:
    i) Subikhyat-Tri-Shakti-Patta Prasidha-Prabala-Gorkha-Dakshina-Bahu Pradeep Shumshere Jung Bahadur Rana. Insp-Gen. of Police 1999-2002. Official Umpire World Elephant Polo Assoc. Adviser of the “Temple of Health” Psychiatric Clinic, etc. Rcvd: the Orders of Three Divine Powers 2nd class (7.7.2002), and the Gurkha Right Hand 2nd class. m. Shanta Rajya Lakshmi, Chair. Central Police Family Women’s Assoc., Presdt. Aasara Reformation Centre (ARC), Trustee of the “Temple of Health” Psychiatric Clinic, etc. He had issue, a son:
    (a) Deep Shumshere Jung Bahadur Rana.
    b) Puskar Shumshere Jung Bahadur Rana. b. before 1923.
    c) Colonel Shambhu Shumshere Jung Bahadur Rana. b. after 1923. He had issue, a son:
    i) Ashoke Shumshere Jung Bahadur Rana. m. Sri Rani Hiamli Rajya Lakshmi, daughter of Gauri Thapa KC. he had issue, one son and one daughter:
    (a) Siddarth Shumshere Jung Bahadur Rana.
    (a) Tara Rajya Lakshmi.
    9) Lieutenant-Colonel Kanwar Totra Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana (c), educ. Mayo Coll., Ajmer. He had issue, one son. Copyright© Christopher Buyers
    c) Himat Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana. b. before 1923.
    10) Lieutenant-Colonel Kanwar Hem Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana (c), educ. Mayo Coll., Ajmer.
    11) Lieutenant-Colonel Kanwar Prakash Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana (c), educ. Mayo Coll., Ajmer.
    1) Sri Sri Sri Maharajkumari Mandalasa Rajya Lakshmi Devi [H.H. Maharani Shri Mandalasa Deviji Sahiba, Maharani of Sirmur]. b. at Katmandu, 1896, educ. privately. m. 4th March 1910, Lieutenant-Colonel H.H. Maharaja Sir Amar Prakash Bahadur, Maharaja of Sirmur, KCSI, KCIE (b. at Nahan, 26th January 1888; d. at Vienna, Austria, 13th August 1933), eldest son of H.H. Raja Sri Sir Surendra Bikram Prakash Bahadur, Raja of Sirmur, KCSI, by his wife, H.H. The Suketwala Rani Sahiba, daughter of H.H. Raja Shri Rudra Sen Bahadur, Raja of Suket, by his wife, H.H. The Kuhlani Rani Sahiba. She d. at Nahun, February 1973, having had issue, one son and two daughters – see India (Sirmur).
    2) Sri Sri Sri Maharajkumari Bhuvaneshwari Rajya Lakshmi Devi [Rani Bhuvaneshwari Rajya Lakshmi Devi Sahiba, of Khairigarh Raj]. b. 1900. m. 1914, Raja Pratap Bikram Shah, of Khairigarh Raj (b. at Singhai, Khairigarh, Lakhimpur-Kheri, UP, 1898; d. at Lucknow, 1964), adopted son of Maharani Surat Kunwar, OBE, of Khairigarh Raj, UP, India. She had issue, two sons and one daughter.
    3) Sri Sri Sri Maharajkumari Indra Rajya Lakshmi [Rani Narpat Singh]. m. 1916, Colonel Rao Bahadur Rao Raja Narpat Singh (b. 28th March 1892; d. 23rd June 1967), eldest son of Lieutenant-General H.H. Maharajadhiraja Maharaja Shri Sir Pratap Singhji Sahib Bahadur, Maharaja of Idar, GCB, GCSI, GCVO, KIH. She had issue, two sons and one daughter – see India (Idar).
    4) Gupta Devi (c). m. (morganatic) Lieutenant-Colonel H.H. Shri Maharaja Sir Amar Prakash Bahadur, Maharaja of Sirmur, KCSI, KCIE (b. at Nahan, 26th January 1888; d. at Vienna, Austria, 13th August 1933), eldest son of H.H. Raja Sri Sir Surendra Bikram Prakash Bahadur, Raja of Sirmur, KCSI, by his wife, H.H. The Suketwala Rani Sahiba, daughter of H.H. Raja Shri Rudra Sen Bahadur, Raja of Suket, by his wife, H.H. The Kuhlani Rani Sahiba. She d. 1920, having had issue, one son and two daughters – see India (Sirmur).
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    1 Author: PAUL GEOFFREY WATSON Date: 31 March 2009 8:45 PM As you might have guessed from last week’s post I won’t be holding my breath. The bizarre thing about the global financial system is how prone it is to speculation, both positive and negative. What investors will be looking for from the G20 is unison but as you rightly pointed out Dean, there appears a significant divide between those pushing for fiscal stimulus and those wanting regulatory reforms.
    2 Author: REID JASON ARKINSTALL Date: 2 April 2009 1:22 PM I’m sceptical that there will be real systemic change. Sarkosy has threatened to walk out if there is no opportunity to have long-term regulation of the banks put on the agenda.
    Merkel and Topolanek also want tough new regulation, and have asked for ‘targeted spending’ and to change the rules of the system as Germany is putting in more than the US and 4% GDP already into their stimulus recoveries.
    Australia is supportive of the US and British approach, eg. more stimulus. There seems to be a lot of rhetoric from Rudd about the dangers of short-term gains and how morals need to return to our global financial system. Yet, at the same time, the treasurer is saying that discipline can only be restored after growth is restored.
    This type of rhetoric and the failure of the G20 to get real reform on the agenda could be its downfall as an effective forum.
    If anyone is interested, there was a good clip on last night’s 7.30 report (http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/):”G20 meets to attempt to revive flat lining economies” (aired Wed night 01.04.09, goes for about 8 mins)
    3 Author: RANJIT RANA Date: 2 April 2009 6:46 PM G20 was the creation of of Oz Reserve Bank Governor and now known as Financial Stability Forum. That is all it will stand for stability.
    4 Author: PAUL GEOFFREY WATSON Date: 2 April 2009 10:08 PM Interesting comment you make Reid about Rudd rhetoric. It seems to me that in relation to both the financial crisis and climate change he says all the right things but continues with pretty much business as usual approach. When I say this I’m not making a comment on what he should be doing, just pointing out that what he says and what he does don’t correalate.

    Having said that I do find this constant quest for growth, growth and more growth a little unsustainable.
    I’m by the way a mature age student and many of you wont remember this but I’m now starting to understand what Keating meant in 87 when he stated ‘this was the recession we had to have’. A bit too honest perhaps for the treasurer and not something Swan will let slip but what worries me about all these stimulus packages, they’re artificial and I fear will only provide a band-aid solution. The real solution will still have to be paid for sooner or later. Its got a Weekend at Bernies feel
    5 Author: TETHLOACH DOMACH RUEY Date: 2 April 2009 11:58 PM There is nothing new in the G20. The common issue is that actual problems are not addressed. I think nothing positive enough will come out of the summit based on the experience of G20 summits.

    Tethloach
    6 Author: Dean Coldicott Date: 3 April 2009 2:11 PM Ok great, so how do we start to relate this back to our readings from this week and IPE more generally. This should be leaping out at us as.
    7 Author: STACEY NICOLE PETTITT Date: 4 April 2009 11:06 AM The main aspect that stood out for me, and I admit I really haven’t looked to deeply at the outcome of the discussions, was the anti-protectionist stance they are taking. I thought it important they noted that trade should continue and be encouraged between countries, rather than close borders.
    8 Author: Dean Coldicott Date: 4 April 2009 11:19 AM Yes this has been mentioned a lot, but has action been taken or has this been political rhetoric?
    9 Author: RANJIT RANA Date: 4 April 2009 3:14 PM Well, I am a lover of 4th image eclectic constructivism perspective. Currenly, WTO, World Bank, IMF, Security Council of UNO and including the General Assembly, and furthermore Asian Development Bank is controlled by Anglo American Political Economy and Social Democratic European(Germanic & Franco) Political Economy and Asian Model Political Economy (Japanese and Chinese). They form a sort of troika monopolistic capitalism.

    The assumption uderlying constructivism is that ideas, indentities and culture form the outcome in an institution. The above named institutions are a compromise of neoliberalism and neorealism and later neoliberal institutionism. I do not see how the world will ever avert another global crisis via a formation of the board of the financial stability board, and the utopian constraint that is the WTO with so much diversity moving for this red box to green box to whatever colour box, the inherent problem of logistics with so much group and cultural diversity, the complexity in the negotiation amidst over 200 and much more nations and much more. When wil the Doha round kick in for a start and when will it end? How will the 4.5 billion people who dwell with less than A$2 a day will ever be part of the inclusion club? How will the poor of the South over 5 billion ever share a pie of the US$ 60 trillion or US$ 23 trillion financial primary or secondary markets and much much more? When will the super duper maximini finalcial gloabl order kick in?
    10 Author: STACEY NICOLE PETTITT Date: 4 April 2009 3:15 PM Action certainly seems to be opposite to what has been said, for example with our own stimulus package it is encouraged to spend on Australian made goods (lowing importation). I definitely believe this to be the case in the US and more so. I am not sure what has been discussed re non-protectionism will eventuate into action…. or increased action at least. Was Obama not talking about closing free trade to an extent just after he was elected President?? The non-protection discussion gives a warm and fuzzy feeling though 🙂
    11 Author: PHILIP STRATOS TALIHMANIDIS Date: 5 April 2009 1:25 PM I think this might be a turning point in the G 20. Especially regarding the decreasing influence of the United States as one of the general agreements at the London Summit was that the U.S. should be less dominant than before and that more regulation is needed. In relative terms does this mean that other nations will have more influence?

    If US preponderance is structured on its ability to obtain consent of its trading partners (as leaders who have traditionally moved towards greater deregulation)…then this result might seem consistent with the liberal view that regimes do not require a hegemon for their continuity?

    12 Author: RANJIT RANA Date: 5 April 2009 3:11 PM It is more probable than not neo rational liberalism is dead and by analogy the fall of Berlin Wall what was to the Communists. The achievement in G 20 was to rein in Keynesian economic regime and tightening the regulations all over free globalized capitalism However, the fiscal stimulas packages were severely opposed by France and Germany to gain relative advantage over USA. China and others like Japan. Germany has not suffered from the sub prime mortgage like USA and burst of the housing bubble like the South Sea bubble in UK. Their’s problems like still in investment in former east Germany and Central Europe, and related higher inflation. They just do not want more inflation set in by USA and UK. Keynesian fiscal policy and related governmental intervention in market failure as a long term inherent problem. As Keynes said that once the animal spirits are out it is hard to rein them in. Another example is the Python Theorem of crawling inflation as proposed by Nobel laurete Freidman. Inflation inflation and more inflation our future generations will suffer for this Obama, Brown, Rudd et al…borrowing from the Chinese war chest of US$2 trillion dollar to please China all way round…from IMF membership to what ever future fiscal stability board?????
    13 Author: Dean Coldicott Date: 5 April 2009 6:57 PM Okay, so can we start to frame the events of that last few weeks with the reading we have done this week? What are some of the connections? Can we classify some actions according to our theoretical approaches?
    14 Author: RANJIT RANA Date: 6 April 2009 8:54 AM I am not so sure with your doble barrel question? Please clarify me that I am wrong. Are you asking the positivist empirical outcomes of the G20 summit and related media communication, which is a normative statement, a shortfal or failure to overall the global financial architecture as recommended by the well known utopian Stiglitz?
    15 Author: Dean Coldicott Date: 6 April 2009 11:28 AM I am asking the group to draw out some of the theoretical frameworks and historical lessons from the readings and apply it to attempts to reform the global financial system. Particularly capital controls, the IMF and trade.
    16 Author: Dean Coldicott Date: 6 April 2009 12:57 PM Some more relevant light reading if you are inclined.
    The Washington Post – Global Fiscal Crisis Brings Renewed Role for IMF
    17 Author: USCHI HILDE STEEDMAN Date: 6 April 2009 6:20 PM Well it seems to me that a liberal approach is still very much at the fore. The general comments coming from the G20 meeting fit in with the liberal themes of ‘cooperation’ and a positive-sum game. i.e. if we all cooperate together (coordinate our response to the crisis – and resist the temptation to implement protectionist measures), then we’ll all benefit.

    As discussed earlier, it’s another matter when it comes to actually putting this theory into practice. At that point, you could argue that a more mercantilist approach is at play. (Although no leaders are willing to admit it – there are a few protectionist moves out there.)

    Critical theory… well there’s room for that interpretation too! You could argue that a group of transnational elites has managed to externalise the consequences of their risk-taking (to an extent). Resulting in more hardship for the world’s least advantaged.

    But for me the strongest message is that, despite recent turbulence, there’s still a general belief in the benefits associated with free trade and a liberalised market economy. So to me, the dominant liberal ideology hasn’t been all that severly battered. Yes, there’s talk of more regulation – but this hasn’t changed the underlying belief in the benefits of open markets and the unquestioned desire for more and more growth. (The financial sector – and those at its pinnacle – have conveniently been made the scapegoats, which has limited any deeper questioning of the broader theoretical/ideological approach to economics.)

    18 Author: Dean Coldicott Date: 6 April 2009 10:19 PM Great! Is anything else from our study thus far jumping out for anybody else?
    19 Author: PHILIP STRATOS TALIHMANIDIS Date: 6 April 2009 10:55 PM I think Cox provides some good theoretical insights on the topic in that the dominant world powers have shaped international regimes/institutions to suit their interests in the world order. Note the beefing up of the IMF as a result of the summit (especially with regard to promoting neo liberalism).

    Cox, consistent with Marx, predicts that world order will be challenged by crises and the GFC fits this description. He also suggests that these may act as catalysts to counter-hegemonic movements; is re-regulation an example of this?

    Cox in shifting the focus of Marxist analysis towards the superstructural describes the procesess within international insitutions that produce and reproduce themselves. So this summit is a bit of a tweaking of the system as Uschi describes above. That the liberalised market economy is beyond question might be a testiment to hegemonic control over superstructures in the neo-Gramscian sense anyway?

    I agree with Uschi’s comment regarding mercantilism. Regarding the summit, although protectionism doesn’t seem on the agenda, self-sufficiency does and, through regulation over stimulus, states like France and Germany seek to improve their position relative to the USA.
    20 Author: RANJIT RANA Date: 7 April 2009 8:00 AM Constructivism is the only perspective that has been able to go on one with one with the neoliberal rationalists, neorealist/rationalist and neoliberal institutionalist with many change ideas of inclusion of environment, gender, race and others for inclusion, they range from emancipatory to normative statements as adopted by G20 Summiteers with shade of commercial liberalism.
    21 Author: NIGEL MATTHEW SLEE Date: 7 April 2009 10:41 AM The G20 meetings havn’t solved anything significant in the past and I doubt they will either now or in the future. G20 predominantly acts as a ‘think tank’ type approach to issues in society and little of what is said tends to advance any further from simple debate. There lies the problem; all talk and little action. It does not help that a large proportion of the community views the summits as little more than economic manipulation and corporate focused agendas…
    22 Author: RANJIT RANA Date: 7 April 2009 5:30 PM Nop! realists and liberalism of any shape and size cannot predict the changes occuring around them. They have vested interest to ante the status quo.

    We need ecletic approach like the 1st 2nd 3rd or 4th image constructivism with empirical positivism to do sweeping ’empircal generalization’ aka stereotyping!!!!
    23 Author: REID JASON ARKINSTALL Date: 7 April 2009 5:51 PM In regards to any possible systemic change to the global financial system , Cox’s point is that institutions coopt elites from from the periphery. If the G20 had aspirations to change the system from within, this would be impossible because countries like France and Germany would be seen by Cox as emulating or being positioned too close to the hegemon’s core. The third world countries on the outer periphery have little say in systemic change, ie. ‘passive revolution’.
    For Keohane, the theory of hegemonic stability is suggestive but not definitive, that is, that concentrated power alone is not enough to generate cooperation. The US is using the ‘ideological role’ of institutions like the IMF to show that it is still powerful enough to maintain the rules and institutions that govern international relations and is willing to do so. Politically, the US is reaffirming its place as the hegemonic core of the system.
    24 Author: RANJIT RANA Date: 8 April 2009 8:07 AM The problem with the periphery is that of following the logic of the realists (eg. balance of power, anarchy and follow the hegemon). As long as the periphery do not learn constructivism then the parable of Keohane’s the stag hunt and the hare parable will prevail. Furthermore, there is debate to seek in or out like the parable of Naked Fakir and Father of India, Mahatmaji Gandhi who wanted India to be self sufficient by spining the cotton yarn wheel as a life style and the 1st PM of India Mr. Nehru and darling of Edwina Mountbaten, who wanted to build big hydro dams and mills as the modern temples of India, and he its high priest….

    Holistic constructivism of the 4th image may assist future leaders of the South.

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  24. You guys must be fucking morons to write and appreciate such fucking blogs. First of all no one in the world gives political power for granted. Napoleon, Bismark, Hitler or any motherfucker didn’t came to power because there was a moron who gave up his authority for them. The lack of Janajatis in Nepali politics (There are tons of those motherfuckers in every field) isn’t because of Bahuns but it’s because of themselves. You need to have fucking balls and brains to achieve something significant. Brahmins are there because they had the tradition to appreciate education and knowledge. They realized the value of books. There are very few fucking Brahmins or Chhetris in British and Indian Gorkha army. If I see from your view point, there is the biggest fucking racism or castism (what ever you fuckers wanna call it) st going on. Bring this argument in front of a fucking so called Nepali Janajati scholar, the answer will be, cause we are the only capable and brave Nepali people to go into these armys. Fuck you motherfuckers, your achievement is your skills and our achievements are racism, lechery and whatfuckingever you want to call it. See the Brahmins in far western region of Nepal, they fucking work their ass off and can’t even earn a day meal for themselves. Far western region of Nepal is the most densely Brahmin Chhetri populated area of Nepal and It’s also the Homeland of these groups. It’s the most fucked up part of Nepal. If we were racists Newars won’t be the most successful ethnic group of our country. Statistics shows that they are ahead in every field compared to their population percentage. Even these motherfuckers call themselves janajatis. What the fuck is the definition of Janajatis? It’s just anyone who isn’t Brahmin Chhetri or Dalits. Fucking Muslims who came to Nepal a decade ago, Sherpas 300 years ago after losing battle with Nepali forces etc are considered Indigenous (janajatis) of Nepal. Not a single fucking race is Native to Nepal ( I think Tharus are). Every race migrated to Nepal.
    Look at the biased information in wikipedia(probably written by some fucked up moron) says that brahmins came to Nepal after Mughals drove them away from India in 13th century. Mughals came to India in 15th century you fucking moron. There were brahmins in Nepal long before Muslims entered Indian subcontinent.
    If there weren’t Bahun and Chhetris, Nepal won’t be a country. There were hundreds of groups with hundreds of languages. Nepali so called Janajatis were still living hunter gatherer life when Brahimn and Chhetris started building Nepali culture. Brahmin (leaders) came to power about 20 years ago (there were leaders from other groups as well). Nepal wasn’t a fucking heaven before that. People like Bhanu Bhakta, Lekhnath Puodel, leaders like BP Koirala were Brahmins as well.
    There isn’t any fucking thing called Bahunbad. If there was I would proud, at least our motherfuckers would have sense of unity.
    Today fucking Brahmin kids go through intense humiliation because of their caste, I had to go through it when I was a kid. Instead of being proud that their ancestors gave so much to Indian subcontinent and to entire humanity, they are ashamed of their own heritage.
    Look at the Indian contribution to the world, most of the contributors were Brahmins. From science, philosophy, ethics, economics to religion (not just Hinduism but the pioneers of Jainism, Sikhism, and Buddhism were Brahmins as well). It’s not a claim but a fact, do some research before replying some bullshit to my writing.
    I want to kill all those Brahmins who without studying about themselves and the situation agree with the fucking claims of some (not some but many) selfish anti-Brahmins. It’s because of their cowardice or ignorance that makes them propagate the shit of Bahunbad. They are backstabbing their own people, their ancestors. If you are so coward that you can’t even speak about the injustice against us, go and die motherfuckers.
    There are some Chhetris who talk against brahmins, they should realize that when janajatis say Bahuns it’s not just Brahmins but Chhetris too.
    I have to acknowledge the fact that Nepal is fucked up right now but it’s not just Brahmins but all Nepali people who responsible for that. Majority of the fucking leaders might be Bahuns but Janajati leaders aren’t doing any good too. It’s the whole fucking system that’s producing motherfuckers and unfortunately lots of them are Bahuns.
    I am sorry my language isnt very clean and I was somewhat excited as well. I hope someone will read this. Ma pose aathawa khaire huna khojeko chai hoina hai……

    • U know wht?? those words doesn’t match us..i mean nepali…i like ur coment but u should use some good words instead..Im sorry but those words are…. U UNDERSTOOD NA?? OK IM SORRY ONCE AGAIN..

  25. Now the above comment is one I rather enjoyed reading. So yes, someone read it, Brahmin of April 20. Unfortunately only because I check up what that w-nk-er Ranjit Rana of Adelaide South Australia is cr-pp-ng on about, he is such a b-llsh-t artist. Glad to know there are other kinds of Nepalese etc around – once without the hangups, major mental illnesses, and severe personality defects of Ranjit Shamsher Jung Bahadur Rana – (who does have two female offspring – comments above – but only one is called a Rana) and who is not entitled to be called a doctor of anything but
    b-llsh-t, beng unable to ever finish any kind of study at tertiary level.

  26. Sathiharu hami sabai nepali hainam ra???kena nak chuchhe and nak thepche vanera jhagada garnu?? Aba nata chucche vako nak lai tasera thepche banauna sakin6 nata thepche vako nak lai tankara chuchhe banauna nai sakin6 tesaile maile chain yo discussion ko kunai conclusion vetaina hai….

  27. I am against all ideas that promote hatred and all people that promote those hatred. You are part of the problem. You are promoting a baseless, illogical and hitler style hatred that is more than condemnable. Voluntarily hand over power? Not like non-brahmins are restricted from politics. What other arguments are you going to make? That Newars should handover their business to non-newars? That sherpas should voluntarily handover the mountain climbing domination to the non-sherpas? Or that Gurung, Magars, Rai and Limbus voluntarily hand over their domination in the British Gurkha Regiments to the nons? As much as you have pointed out the nakchuchhes that are allegedly the problem of the country, you failed to point out the nakchuchhes that are humanitarians, great citizens, social workers and educators. If you have a problem with corruption and incompetency in government and the service sector, would it not make sense that you do something about it than mindlessly complain about it? I have seen enough mistreatment of bahun kids in schools exactly because of the hatred that people like you spread. I am a proud bahun. I’m smart and a citizen with integrity. And hell yeah, I’m strong and fast and will crush my enemies in a heartbeat. But that is not the point. The point is that racism is out of hand in our schools and it is everyone’s responsibility to make sure that hatred is not the values that our children bring in or out of our schools. And when anyone spills out the word BAHUNBAD, I see nothing but incompetency and an effort to spread ill reasoned hatred against an entire group of citizens that have contributed a lot of good to this country.

  28. This is an UTTERLY RACIST blog. YOU are helping to spread hatred among Nepalis. This is so…. NOT NEPALI. While you might find it amusing in self-bashing and racism, remember there are others who cannot take it. Either you are a comedian; in which case the article was not funny at all or you are one stupid blogger.

    Yes, Nepal has its problems. And yes, there are Bahuns at the helm of most of the political parties, but didn’t ALL Nepalis vote for this? If you think you are a true Nepali you should be voicing for a Referendum to decide the fate on Nepal. Not have some half baked loonies just out of their killing spree decide for you.

    Well, try some decent blogging for a change.

  29. Dear Divas
    i m agree with you and your article but i want to write some thing here. of course brahamin community always in top level in every sector and other are not but we cant change imidiately them so we have to do some thing to change their mind

  30. Better
    Sathi ho, I don’t say u r right or wrong, but it is your experience. I also experience same thing in this country. But one thing is that bahunbad is interwoven like spider. We general people can’t break this spider’s jail of bahaunbad. The other caste will not get chance until the rull will make such change. Because From top to bottom and in good halimauhali, bahun is there. At time of parti politics, they make the general people quarrel, but at time of getting opportunities of job and others, all bahuns become unite and don’t give chance to other.

  31. I don’t in anyway liked this article.I’m not against other caste and ethnic group but the way this article is written is pathetic and it makes me feel yuck. You know actually yuck upon u. Our nation is in a critical condition and such a thought is desperate. Though some of Brahmin (according to you;nakchuche which word i don’t agree coz i don’t have one though i m brahmin ) are abusing their power but it would be good if you wouldn’t generalize.Each and every one, B.P koirala n other political leaders are positive examples of it…..So talk about bad person and deeds don’t generalize.

  32. Most of NOn-naak chucche haru padhne bela guchha kheling, dandi-biyo kheling, kt jiskaying and laure jane vanera kaile napadhing.Principal le exam ma strict garyoo vanera bau-ama sang milera principal lai kutna gaying ani pachi DADA/DON vaying. Tee naak chucche neta le yo don/dada lai khusi parnu napare desh ko kattti ramro vaying. Non-nakchucche haru pachadi parunu ko grass-root cause yehi education ko importance nadekhera ra vaying. Ani mehenat garera padheka naak-chucche haru rish uthing. Nana-thaari gaali garing. Tee 24-25 % naak chucche le garda ho ki baki non-naak chucche le garda ho desh ko yo halat vaying. Napadheka non-nakchucche le halka fulka padheka non-naak chucche le j vaning tyeii patttyaing.. afno buddhi thoppai navaing. Naak chucche haru le desh ko lagi British haru sang ladeko birsing.Naak-chucche gurkha haruko bahaduri le British haru impressed vaying Aile ayera afulai gurkha hoon vandai dhaak lagaing. Waiyaat haru.. Ali padhe lekheka non-naak chucche yestoo navaying. Mero mitra haru sarhai ramrai vaying. Koi koi kuhiyeka aalo le sarhaii hairan paring, Btw yo lekhak kei naak chucche navaying natak paring. Typical bhote dimag vaying..

    • hahaha…thanks Naakchucccheee for your interesting argument. Btw, the writer of this post is a pure Bramhin Nakchuche…but, the post may have been influenced by indian tharo bhaisi ko momo & sukuti & chyaang that i used to eat and drink a lot in my teenage… it may also have been influenced by the fact that most of my relatives are Nakchuchches and most of my close friends were Nak-Thepches & Madhesis…

      however, since i’ve turned almost vegetarian these days, i’m also revising my own earlier opinions..

      btw Naakchucccheee, r u still single? 😉

  33. THE PLIGHT OF BAHUNS-
    WHO ARE WE?

    The ouster of the monarch and the annulment of the 1990 constitution has left us Bahuns with an identity void. This has driven intelligent Bahuns to do some soul searching. Who are we really? Where have we come from? Are all Bahuns the same? Do we all come from the same place? Are we really Aryans? What is the language of the Bahuns? What is our culture? Where is our origin and where is our history? Are Chhetris and Bahuns the same race of people?

    These are all pertinent questions. Bahuns should not be afraid of their past and of the truth. The truth is the truth and no matter what we do to elevate our culture and make them at par with the best cultures in the Indian sub-continent, it appears that there is very little to indicate that we were a great and innovative and cultural people.
    There is this resurgence in identity of different ethnic groups and their history and Bahuns have not been far behind in trying to build character into their own identity. It has become more urgent now that Bahuns have been kept in the ‘other’ category of different peoples of Nepal.

    Where are we Bahuns from?
    First of all we need to understand that all Bahuns are not the same. There are Jaisi Bahuns who are considered ‘lesser’ in hierarchy by the Sharma-Upadhyaya Bahuns. The Jaisi Bahuns consider themselves not lesser to these Upadhyaya Bahuns. Now the Bahuns in the East are also different from the Bahuns in the West. Bahuns use the term Brahmin to unite themselves as one entity but Bahuns are not aware that there are other Brahmins in other communities other than the hill Khas community. Chhetris are supposed to be offspring of Bahuns not married to a bonafide Bahun according to Bahun folklore and thus are considered inferior to Bahuns. This is categorically wrong description of Chhetris by Bahuns as one can see that Chhetriyas are a different race altogether as one can see from the Chhetriya history of the different kingdoms of Bharat. Obviously the history of the Brahmins and Chhetriyas in what was called Bharat is much older than our Bahun history. So where are we Bahuns from?

    Bahuns were unheard of before the unification of Nepal by King Prithvi Narayan in the Eastern regions of Nepal. Very little history is known of them even in the kingdom of Ram Shah except that they were kept as priests and their number was not that great either. So how come we have so many Bahuns in Nepal now? After the unification of Nepal, Prithvi Narayan told his subjects to cover the hills with children and families so that he can have a secure kingdom with loyal subjects. Thus Bahuns from the West gradually migrated eastwards and southwards. Uncontrolled family planning and rampant migration turned Bahuns into something like a bacterial colony in a petri dish all over Nepal.

    Even 50 years back, Bahuns were ‘hukke’s and cooks in affluent Rana, Thakuri and Newar families. Still there are many of these Bahuns working for their ‘masters’. The 2007 prajatantra and subsequent ‘revolutions’ brought more Bahuns from the West and the East to Kathmandu and thus slowly the population of Bahuns in Kathmandu rose. The Bahun community slowly rose in rank and affluence. Most Prime Ministers were Bahun and most high ranking government administrators became Bahuns and these Bahuns again called in more Bahuns from the villages and remote corners into the Nepali mainstream. Bahuns started to eat mushrooms, momos, beef and buff and pork and what not. Bahuns became doctors, engineers, shop-owners, vegetable sellers, stock-brokers, butchers and took up all trades of life. Most importantly Bahuns took up the profession of politics and with that they came into power and once in power, called on all their brethren and community members to come to the capital and help them overtake the country in all aspects of social, business and political life.

    Bahuns are a very intelligent community and we were just waiting for hundreds of years to shed our old ways and become what everyone around them had been doing for hundreds of years.
    Coming to the question of where Bahuns are from, it is with no doubt that they are from the Western regions of the Hindukush mountains near the Pakistan –Afghan border and they gradually spread eastwards to the Kumaon and Gadhwal hills and Far-west of Nepal. Facial features of Bahuns are extremely similar to the Afghans and local Kumaon and Gadhwal features. The facial features of these people have common characteristics such as a broader a brow and longish and aquiline nose and eyes are neither doe-eyed nor chinky and somewhat in-between. The skin is fair and the features are generally a transition from Caucasian towards Tibeto-Burman.

    But why do we Bahuns like to call ourselves of Aryan Stock? Perhaps when the first Aryans came to the Pakistan- India plains from the Mediterranean, they inter-married with the local stock and they gave the impression to the community then that to be Aryan was to be of high and honorable class. Thus when the local people took up the cultural and religious beliefs of the new invaders, they too thought that since they are all Hindus, then they too must be of Aryan Stock. In fact, the true Aryans of unaltered blood today are the Iranians who have now taken up Islam. Most people who have taken up Hinduism in the last two thousand years in the Indian sub-continent are not Aryans but rather a transfer of the Aryan belief. Maybe, there is intermix of Aryan blood in these people from the invading conquerors. The Dravids of South India have all the Brahman, Chhetriya, Vaisya and Shudra class- they are not obviously Aryan. The peope of Madhyadesh in the northern plains of the Ganges are darker in colour and are not Aryan although they have a mixture of the characteristics and all the four Hindu classes. The Bengali speaking Hindu peoples too have all these four classes of people and they have distinctly a hint of Tibeto-Burman features.

    Thus just being a Brahmin or a Hindu does not mean we are Aryans. We are indigenous hill people sharing strong racial features with the mountain people of Afghanistan and Pakistan and the north-west mountains of India. We Bahuns want to deny this fact and not face the truth. We want to be elevated to an Aryan class!! This is absolutely ridiculous. Why is there such an obsession with an extinct race?!!
    If we Bahuns are not true Aryans then how come we became Hindu priests? Well in old Afghanistan, Gandhar (present day Kandahar), the ruling elite were all Hindus and then later on became Buddhists and then later with the advent of invasion from the Muslims Mongols, the local people were all forcefully converted and became Muslims. The number of Muslims started to rise and the Hindu majority slowly eroded in India.

    The Shankaracharya from Benaras, then mounted his own campaigns to revive Hinduism and started to train and convert these mountain people to become Hindus and Hindu priests as they fled the invasion from Islamic warriors. This is a fact of history no one can deny. These same local indigenous mountain people slowly migrated towards the Western hills of present day Nepal and slowly came and became part of the Gorkha Shah Bhardari (courtiers) and are currently known as Khas Bahuns. Some historians even say that since we migrated from Khasmir, we are known as the Khas people and the language was called Khas Kura. Thus we Bahuns have forgotten our origins. Our dances and musical instruments are very similar to the ones in the Hindukush region.

    Sadly though, we Bahuns have not much civilization to boast about. The Nepali language born in Sinja valley has heavily borrowed from Urdu, Sanskrit, Hindi and even Newari to beome the common lingua franca of Nepal. Even 50 years ago, only 25- 30% Nepalese spoke this language. The language spoken by the Gorkha kings differ much in comparison to present day Nepali.

    Although, Bahuns have come in power for nearly 60 years now, we have not managed to build a single city in Nepal or in any Bahun village dominated by Bahuns. The cities of Nepal are predominantly settled by Newars and in fact evolve from old Newar towns. In the Terai, the cities are built by the Madhesiya community. The festivals are 99% of the Newars or the Madhesiyas or the hill tribal ethnic communities. 99% of the temples or architecture is built by the Newars and we Bahuns have only begun to come and accept the festivals as our own recently. We have certain festivals like Teej which is only recently begun to be celebrated like a national festival. The Dashera and Diwali festivals are also not celebrated like the Madhesiyas or the Newars or the Indian people. Our history is rather murky and there is not much to show except when we try to be Aryans or when we try to say that Sanskrit was invented by us or that the great Hindu sages were all our ancestors.

    If we were such an advanced race, why is our history not very clear? Why do we not have our own script ( Devnagari was only recently borrowed and the written Nepali language began to evolve). Even the Tamangs, Tibetans, Limbu people have their own written script. The Tibetans, the Bengalis and the Newars have their own script different from Devnagari. They also have their own calendars. We Bahuns are accepting the calendar introduced by Chandra Sumsher and saying that it is ours. The ‘tithi’ used to mark all religious festivals are still used from the Lunar Calendar, which the Newars of the valley have been using for over a thousand years.

    This just goes to show that we Bahuns are a nomadic indigenous mountain people with only a recent history of real political power. Bahuns should not be ashamed of our heritage, of our nomadic lifestyle, of our hilly origin, of our true spirit. Wake up all Bahuns and do some soul searching. Let us not be what we are not. Yes, we are Hindus. Yes, we were Hindu priests but now times have changed.
    Now Bahuns are politicians, bankers, engineers, businessmen, butchers, builders, restauranteurs, musicians and there is a lot of cross-community marriages and the Bahuns have become omnivorous too. Thus we now should quit calling ourselves high caste Brahmins. We should be all aware of our indigenous, mountain origin and say to all other communities that we are no different from you all and that we are your brethren.

    We are not superior to any other class nor ethnic group and we should humbly say that we are now evolving and trying to be a new civil society that respects all. Lastly, we should stop borrowing from a hypothetical ancestry which we never had.

    SN B

    • Thanks a lot Subramanyam for your wonderful anthropological insight. I agree with you that there’re many types of Bahuns in Nepal. I have even encountered some ‘Pahadiya Maithil Bahuns’ with surnames like ‘Mishra’ & ‘Jha’ who have been living in Kathmandu Valley since the Malla Dynasty..

      i also agree with you that most Bahuns in Nepal have physical features similar to the Afghans, Pakistanis of the Hindu-Kush region…hence, originally Bahuns of Nepal may have migrated from those places…

      btw Subramanyam, r u also a Pahadiya Bahun? i’ve encountered many Pahadiya Muslims in Gorkha and other hilly regions, but i’ve never encountered a Pahadiya or Madhesi Bahun with a surname like yours man…Subramanyam sounds to me like a South Indian name…Pardon me for my ignorance…btw, i’ve also found names & surnames like mine in India..

      As for me, i’m a Bahun by birth…both my maternal and paternal forefathers migrated to Nepal’s Terai as ‘Ditthas’ during the Rana regime…i think, my maternal great-grandfather migrated from Dhading(if i remember my great-grandmother’s descriptions correctly)…on my father’s side, we have been in the Terai for five generations now…some of my relatives have discovered that our forefathers migrated from Dhading’s Kiran Chowk…but no-one knows yet where they came from in Dhading…

      Hence, anthropologically you may be right…and why only stop at Hindu-Kush region…as i’ve argued in my another post, unless another discovery proves it wrong, all humans descend from African ancestors…

      Therefore, as for me, since i cannot trace back my ancestry beyond Dhading Hills, i declare myself as a native ‘aadivasi’ of this country…n personally i don’t care if my definition of ‘aadivasi’ doesn’t match with other national/international conventions…by calling myself an ‘aadivasi’, i’m only countering the extreme ‘janajatibad’ politically who call Bahuns like me an outsider..

      if the Sherpa people coming to Nepal from Tibet just two generations ago can be ‘janajatis’, if Indians coming to Kathmandu just two generations ago can call themselves Newars, if the 1st generation Biharis living in Nepal’s Terai can be native ‘Madhesis’ of Nepal, if the ‘janajatis’ living in Hongkong and London can still be native ‘janajatis’ here, what’s wrong if i call myself an ‘aadivasi’ of this country?

      Otherwise, i don’t even care whether i’m Bahun or not…like our comedian duo Madan Krishna Shrestha and Hari Bansha Acharya, personally i believe in only two types of human beings…Bhaaley(male) and Pothi(female)…and btw, i’m Bhaaley… 😛

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