10 comments on “Indian Pseudo-Secularism: Gujarat Scene

  1. Bush feels that on September 11th he was anointed by God. He’s leading the U.S. and the world toward a vicious circle of escalating violence … America, under Bush, is a danger to the world. And I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is.GeorgeSorosGeorge Soros, Hungarian philanthropist

  2. All they want is peace, and normal human beings stand in their way everywhere …………

    In India, they fight with the Indians.
    In Thailand, they fight with the Buddhists.
    In the Philippines, they fight with the Catholics.
    In the Middle East, they fight with the Jews.And with each other.
    In Europe, they fight with the Christians.
    In China, they fight with the communists.
    In Germany, they fight with the Germans.
    In Malaysia, they fight with the Chinese and Indians.
    In France, they fight with the secularists and Catholics.
    In Russia, they fight with the non-Muslim Russians.
    In the US, they fight with the “house negroes”, Latino workers, blind people with a dog, cab passengers, with alcohol.
    In Denmark, they fight with the cartoons.
    In Sudan, they fight with a teddy bear named Muhammad AND KILL CIVILIANS.
    In Indonesia, they fight with other Muslims.

    I’m sure I’ve missed out quite a few places……..
    Poor misunderstood guys.
    They fight with just about everybody. They firmly believe that to make an omelette you have to break all the eggs in the world …………

    • Mr whatever your name is dont think i’d like to remember it also …. wat u ‘ve said n written really saddens me i am ashamed that some of us supposedly secular indians think that way… get ur head sorted …more than anyone else from any community its u who sounds like a fundamentalist to me !

  3. i accept that there would be cases like this bt overall it is nt the case ..Indian muslims have a different identity and they they are as much as part of India as hindus/nd if that wudnt be the case then india wud be a reliious country like pak bt that didnt happen bcoz majority are still secular…nd i hate hindu extremists as much as muslim fanatics. i m in dehi nd u shud come here nd see that muslim middle class is an altogether unique indian identity tht is appreciated even by us prez. so mr in nepal u cnt predict all these things and spread hatred towards india

  4. I just want to know how many Pakistanis living in Lahore or Rawalpindi can sit there and write about their country like that from there.
    They would’nt even have a bullet wasted on them. They would be flogged to death or hung from the nearest tree.
    Its only a country like India that allows so much self-criticism. I wonder if the Doc could have tried even an iota of his poison during the emergency days of Indira Gandhi. The courageous ones spoke out even then.
    Why it hurts is because it is people such as the Doc, who want to make their money while subverting the minds of many Indian Muslims who just want peace – and a job. So long as these diatribes continue, they’ll be doomed to live the lives of auto-mechanics, mutton sellers and terrorists. Very few lucky ones will use their brains for themselves. He is trying to get them away from the mainstream.
    He may operate from Delhi – so does the Pakistani High Commission.

  5. You are absulutely right ! After a bit of it, I felt once again that I am unnecessarlily allowing him a free say of his poison. In Indian culture we are supposed to turn the other cheek etc. but with with self-confessed traitors there’s little choice.
    I’m confident that you’ll agree with me, that gentleman can be anything but an Indian.- and most probably of course, a Pakistani. In each and everyone of his writings, he could not find one bit of acceptability (not praise) about India ; but, where Pakistan is concerned , it is only regret that he has for the torment that poor country has to face.
    I have always praised your neutrality in allowing both sides to have their say, but I’ll addd that the war should be with the similar norms applicable to both ; both sides facing each other, not one stabbing the other in the back, just as most of our mutual friend’s ilk are prone to do. While outside their country they do it to us – they have shown that even in their own country they are no better with each other. They have made themselves the pariahs of the world ; which is why I feel ashamed when I have to stoop to his level to reply.
    No offense, friend.

  6. if you shout aginst india, first read this also :

    This article by Vir Sanghvi truly drives home some home truths !! Read it till the end and it’ll open your eyes to some hard hitting facts.

    Indians and Pakistanis are no longer the same people in any significant sense (NEW)
    Posted By: Vir Sanghvi | Posted On: 07 Mar 2009 12:38 PM

    Few things annoy me as much as the claim often advanced by well meaning but woolly headed (and usually Punjabi) liberals to the effect that when it comes to India and Pakistan, “We’re all the same people, yaar.”

    This may have been true once upon a time. Before 1947, Pakistan was part of undivided India and you could claim that Punjabis from West Punjab (what is now Pakistan) were as Indian as say, Tamils from Madras.

    But time has a way of moving on. And while the gap between our Punjabis (from east Punjab which is now the only Punjab left in India) and our Tamils may actually have narrowed thanks to improved communications, shared popular culture and greater physical mobility, the gap between Indians and Pakistanis has now widened to the extent that we are no longer the same people in any significant sense.

    This was brought home to me most clearly by two major events over the last few weeks.

    The first of these was the attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team on the streets of Lahore. In their defence, Pakistanis said that they were powerless to act against the terrorists because religious fanaticism was growing. Each day more misguided youth joined jehadi outfits and the law and order situation worsened.

    Further, they added, things had got so bad that in the tribal areas the government of Pakistan had agreed to suspend the rule of law under pressure from the Taliban and had conceded that sharia law would reign instead. Interestingly, while most civilized liberals should have been appalled by this surrender to the forces of extremism, many Pakistanis defended this concession.

    Imran Khan (Keble College, Oxford, 1973-76) even declared that sharia law would be better because justice would be dispensed more swiftly!

    (I know this is politically incorrect but the Loin of the Punjab’s defence of sharia law reminded me of the famous Private Eye cover when his marriage to Jemima Goldsmith was announced. The Eye carried a picture of Khan speaking to Jemima’s father. “Can I have your daughter’s hand?” Imran was supposedly asking James Goldsmith. “Why? Has she been caught shoplifting?” Goldsmith replied. So much for sharia law).

    The second contrasting event was one that took place in Los Angeles but which was perhaps celebrated more in India than in any other country in the world. Three Indians won Oscars: A.R. Rahman, Resul Pookutty and Gulzar.

    Their victory set off a frenzy of rejoicing. We were proud of our countrymen. We were pleased that India’s entertainment industry and its veterans had been recognized at an international platform. And all three men became even bigger heroes than they already were.

    But here’s the thing: Not one of them is a Hindu.

    Can you imagine such a thing happening in Pakistan? Can you even conceive of a situation where the whole country would celebrate the victory of three members of two religious minorities? For that matter, can you even imagine a situation where people from religious minorities would have got to the top of their fields and were therefore in the running for international awards?

    On the one hand, you have Pakistan imposing sharia law, doing deals with the Taliban, teaching hatred in madrasas, declaring jehad on the world and trying to kill innocent Sri Lankan cricketers. On the other, you have the triumph of Indian secularism.

    The same people?

    Surely not.

    We are defined by our nationality. They choose to define themselves by their religion.

    But it gets even more complicated. As you probably know, Rahman was born Dilip Kumar. He converted to Islam when he was 21. His religious preferences made no difference to his prospects. Even now, his music cuts across all religious boundaries. He’s as much at home with Sufi music as he is with bhajans. Nor does he have any problem with saying Vande Mataram.

    Now, think of a similar situation in Pakistan. Can you conceive of a Pakistani composer who converted to Hinduism at the age of 21 and still went on to become a national hero? Under sharia law, they’d probably have to execute him.

    Resul Pookutty’s is an even more interesting case. Until you realize that Malayalis tend to put an ‘e’ where the rest of us would put an ‘a,’ (Ravi becomes Revi and sometimes the Gulf becomes the Gelf), you cannot work out that his name derives from Rasool, a fairly obviously Islamic name.

    But here’s the point: even when you point out to people that Pookutty is in fact a Muslim, they don’t really care. It makes no difference to them. He’s an authentic Indian hero, his religion is irrelevant.

    Can you imagine Pakistan being indifferent to a man’s religion? Can you believe that Pakistanis would not know that one of their Oscar winners came from a religious minority? And would any Pakistani have dared bridge the religious divide in the manner Resul did by referring to the primeval power of Om in his acceptance speech?

    The same people?

    Surely not.

    Most interesting of all is the case of Gulzar who many Indians believe is a Muslim. He is not. He is a Sikh. And his real name is Sampooran Singh Kalra.

    So why does he have a Muslim name?

    It’s a good story and he told it on my TV show some years ago. He was born in West Pakistan and came over the border during the bloody days of Partition. He had seen so much hatred and religious violence on both sides, he said, that he was determined never to lose himself to that kind of blind religious prejudice and fanaticism.

    Rather than blame Muslims for the violence inflicted on his community – after all, Hindus and Sikhs behaved with equal ferocity – he adopted a Muslim pen name to remind himself that his identity was beyond religion. He still writes in Urdu and considers it irrelevant whether a person is a Sikh, a Muslim or a Hindu.

    Let’s forget about political correctness and come clean: can you see such a thing happening in Pakistan? Can you actually conceive of a famous Pakistani Muslim who adopts a Hindu or Sikh name out of choice to demonstrate the irrelevance of religion?

    My point, exactly.

    What all those misguided liberals who keep blathering on about us being the same people forget is that in the 60-odd years since independence, our two nations have traversed very different paths.

    Pakistan was founded on the basis of Islam. It still defines itself in terms of Islam. And over the next decade as it destroys itself, it will be because of Islamic extremism.

    India was founded on the basis that religion had no role in determining citizenship or nationhood. An Indian can belong to any religion in the world and face no discrimination in his rights as a citizen.

    It is nobody’s case that India is a perfect society or that Muslims face no discrimination. But only a fool would deny that in the last six decades, we have traveled a long way towards religious equality. In the early days of independent India, a Yusuf Khan had to call himself Dilip Kumar for fear of attracting religious prejudice.

    In today’s India, a Dilip Kumar can change his name to A.R. Rahman and nobody really gives a damn either way.

    So think back to the events of the last few weeks. To the murderous attack on innocent Sri Lankan cricketers by jehadi fanatics in a society that is being buried by Islamic extremism. And to the triumphs of Indian secularism.

    Same people?

    Don’t make me laugh.


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